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Stock 2015 Mercedes W205 C63 AMG M177 S Dynojet results it is underestimated and in comparison Dyno Eurocharged granted W204 C63 AMG M156 and stock Audi RS7.
Stock 2015 Mercedes W205 C63 AMG M177 S Dynojet results it is underestimated and in comparison Dyno Eurocharged granted W204 C63 AMG M156 and stock Audi RS7.
Increasingly numbers come out every day for the new car from Mercedes-AMG C63 Eurocharged test has taken delivery of their 2015 C63 AMG S and expeditiously on the Dynojet to measure the production rate Mercedes C63 S model with its M177 twin-turbo V8 to 503 horsepower and 516 lb-ft of torque.
The figures show Dynojet 467 horsepower at the wheels and 489 lb-ft of torque to the wheels Power is certainly underestimated by about 40-50 crank horsepower and torque is massively underestimated because it is 575 lb-ft torque at the crank this stock is a good thing that the couple will be required to move this beast porky.
Take a look at the overlap between the W205 C63 M177 stock and Eurocharged granted W204 C63 AMG M156 V8.
Peak power between the two chains only 27 the power of the wheel, the couple between the two differs slightly less than 90 lb-ft at the wheels Remember that is a tuned naturally aspirated June 2 liter M156 in the W204 C63 AMG M177 in the AMG C63 S is available and with an air that you would need a fan on the M156 to retain that it will never match it as naturally aspirated and certainly never provide the same torque at low revs.
This is what the turbo era brings a much larger lower torque curve in the speed range and adjust easier earns only the M177 is not revving as the M156 or multiply torque top horses but it really doesn not need.
Now Audi course also has a 4 0 liters Many fans V8 AMG twin turbo direct injection feared that 4 0 liters V8 is too small to boost, it just isn t and RS7 proves that look much the superposition shares between the RS7 and W205 C63 AMG S.
The RS7 is obviously more powerful than it should be available but must also pay attention to the output to listen to the RS7 The V8's are not identical and have different hardware, internals, control, etc., but if the RS7 can hit 636 horses to the wheels with 4 0 liter V8 direct injection twin turbo with top mounting and turbos are just tune it bodes well for setting course M177 M178.
The power and torque to handle are both underestimated, yes, but only in the range of 20-25hp based fuel and identical conditions at Sticky couple don t take it personally, but stop using old losses of the riddles of school days back torque converter transmissions and powertrain built.
Our dyno is approved by TÜV in Germany withing a tolerance range below 2 exact measurement HANDLE MORE remember we had two engines on the engine dyno here, so I know of what I speak.
NEW massively underestimated YES, but not as much as you assume.
Sticky, don t take it personally, but stop using old riddles school days back losses torque converter transmissions and more built powertrain.
I used 15 conservative deficits Considering this is done on a Dynojet AWD I think it is the right choice.
Our dyno is approved by TÜV in Germany withing a tolerance range below 2 exact measurement HANDLE MORE remember we had two engines on the engine dyno here, so I know of what I speak.
I do not doubt your dyno is about as accurate as you can get, I'm just aware of Dynojet and how the bed is very popular and is used more than any other in the world Dyno This means it does provide a fairly easy track context.
It also reads the wheels, as shown, and of course there must be losses personally I prefer not to mention the loss in general, but I have to point in this case to show the car is underestimated.
Maybe I said, cautiously, the car makes 540 horsepower and 575 lb-ft of torque from these figures.
I'm all for more graphics from other sources to provide more details The torque figure is certainly impressive, however.
Instead of lying to yourself the smallest 4 0L displacement abandon the low and medium power range, in addition to limiting the overall performance, why do not you make a superposition of a 5 5L TT equally effective with similar Turbos 4 0L these small engines.
Because you do not understand that the M157 you're so in love with based on nothing more as 5 5 Liter displacement is not as advanced design or the M178 or Audi or BMW 4 0 TFSI S63TU for that matter.
In the BMW engine case in particular with its brilliant design manifold mounted up spool Turbochargers not only rapidly but also obtain multiple exhaust pulses additional cross the other side of the cylinder banks.
So your superficial analysis of 4 0 5 5 is basic, juvenile and unnecessary especially with the RS7 showing that 4 0 liter engine is hardly a liability.
The fact is, if you take two equally efficient engines, the larger engine will always make more power with similar Turbos.
Arguing sticking with tuners known as RENNtech world now.
I'm not claiming that I am pointing out the conclusions drawn from the results that I do not know why Dynojet do not understand this or why different dynos read differently.
You can go back to complaining about how the C63 is a quad turbo 12 liters with a TCD and AWD weighing 3500 pounds to 30k now.
However, I must intervene and whether the conclusions are simply wrong The M177 178 are not even close to 550-560 hp stock crank But otherwise, Sticky knows we're all fresh and relaxed broadcast frequently.
Because you do not understand that the M157 you're so in love with based on nothing more as 5 5 Liter displacement is not as advanced design or the M178 or Audi or BMW 4 0 TFSI S63TU for that matter.
In fact, you can not seem to understand two lines just as effective engines in my post that mean, since you need to explain, increasing the bore and stroke of the M178 0L 4 5 5L, does not compare not the M157 to the M178 And, no, my points are generally not correct, they are always correct if you had actually been building engines for the last 3 years, you already know the points I make.
Juvenile Superficial you are superficial and juvenile, as usual, junior dictator pompous You can add to this list of descriptions for both the use of your reputation points system as a thinly veiled form of censorship Remove the system or points representing you and your little blog continue to have zero credibility.
Now let me ask a question to someone who has a clue.
Renntech- What do you think of rwhp limit TCD will limit RWHP stock Turbos The longblock MPH What do you think of turbochargers, longblock and TCD will blunder for a stock tire and R888 Do you have a package available that will always be honored by the OEM warranty If so, what is the projected package, performance and price.
You can sembl In fact, to understand two lines just as effective engines in my post.
Oh no, I just do it your hypothetical is useless here we're dealing in reality where the new M177 and M178 have mounted Turbos summit in the V is not the M157 design is a more efficient design Haven t you ever seen your error 4 0 RS7.
And, no, my points are generally not correct, they are always correct.
Tell yourself as many times as you need to convince you.
You can add to this list dictator pompous descriptions for both the use of your reputation points system as a thinly veiled form of censorship Remove the representative points system or you and your little blog will continue to have zero credibility .
Adults speak It seems that the userbase just does not like your messages Run along now, removed from the wire to the nonsense typical OT and insults.
And, no, my points are generally not correct, they are always correct.
Hmm that's great speeches for someone to discuss a theoretical boredom stroked M178 to be honest, I can not discern why you just come off as an angry boy against a chip on his shoulder.
The fact is, when you look at the trap speeds, they seem to confirm that the turbo AMG and M Modern engines are indeed underestimated by some.
In addition, a loss of 15 powertrain is a lot just for a motor car before, really the only thing that could have less is a 911 with PDK I have had conversations with the powertrain engineers who say quite Assumption that a more accurate to use as a general rule.
So yes, the M157 is a monster shift torque and specific race will do it, but then it is a fairly modern engine, it is not as advanced as the M177 and Audi BMW show that the massive torque can be had from especially small engine sizes Audi No, the days of crazy factory torque numbers that come off and remain until almost redline probably went in the small and medium range, at least until that they start to become hybrid But we will see better and better numbers and more flat curves of the new, more revving turbo engines and small hot vee.
Yet - I miss the M156 This engine was really something else lighter than the S65, apparently able to 8k RPM of the plant, and also capable of insane power and torque boost without any engine A 2010 or 2011 E63 with a serious engine work would be a riot will never see anything like this again in a street car, I'm pretty sure massive, screaming, lightweight V8 DOHC spinning at high speed.
In addition, a loss of 15 powertrain is a lot just for a motor car before, really the only thing that could have less is a 911 with PDK I have had conversations with the powertrain engineers who say quite Assumption that a more accurate to use as a general rule.
No idea who you actually spoken, that losses of General powertrain concusion is total nonsense.
As an exaple on Super Flow the same crank hp GT-S and C63 S is a difference in the losses powertrain and thus PVT up 25hp.
Apart from the fact that losses will be easily depend on the transmission variant namely powertrain GT-S TCD and transaxle vs. MCT convertional C63 essentially a 7G with a rear differential STD, it is also a fact, that even under the same conditions and eXACTLY eXACTLY the same whp car varies depending on the Dyno Dyno with a small rotating mass always show more of a dyno with a rotating mass inertia speak measuring only keep it simple.
I do not know why we spend a lot of time on the losses.
The main thing that the European and US members seem to disagree on is we are very accustomed to the way the wheels Dynojets read and losses on that basis.
The point he's making 15 regarding the loss of an engine before automatic car is correct, you d expect it to be based on the course 15 Dynojet even higher is usually reserved for cars with four-wheel drive rear Manual MCT is effective but not as effective as manual.
The point he's making 15 regarding the loss of an engine before automatic car is correct.
Is this what makes the car or transmision was designed exactly automatic transmission with torque converter or without torque converter lockup clutch or without How many speeds, the speed ratio that chosen speed and with a final gear ratio that tires and tire size.
It is not Europe against the United States or vice versa, it is on the physical and accuracy.
Is this what makes the car or transmision was designed exactly automatic transmission with torque converter or without torque converter lockup clutch or without How many speeds, the speed ratio that chosen speed and with a final gear ratio that tires and tire size.
It is not Europe against the United States or vice versa, it is on the physical and accuracy.
It is not to be exactly 15 is that 15 is conservative it s that's also what I was told.
I mean, I really think we beat this loss to date.
Of course, we want to be accurate based on the Dynojet, we be precise.
The losses vary at different speeds s, in reports, etc. The final drive may change depending on the size of the tire from the wheel affecting the numbers This is not exactly 100 there are many variables that you highlighted.
Your dyno is different and specific course and you believe that the crank figures to be different, which is fine.
What we can agree on is the car underestimated the degree to which it is underestimated is a point of debate.
I mean, the BMW M3 M4 420 stock power transmission wheel look even to the crank side.
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