10 Germans do things better than Americans
Thread Why pay more us for German engineering.
First, I'm not a big fan of German cars, but I see sig do not understand why we pay more for German engineering when they all seem to have common problems.
I'm working on fixing the little things on my 944S and feel like im constantly told my wife and my friends oh it's just a common problem as a bad CLUTCH should be a common problem particularly in a Porsche, I know that c is old, but when someone pays a lot of money, they running shouldn t on issues like this Or is it just me.
On my Mk4 Jetta, each socket, cup holders, tail lights, door locks that are just common problems.
Unfortunately, my drummer Hyundai Elantra 03 I picked up for 300 last winter, had no problem next to a rad go, he 350,000kms, and my over 95 car Chevy Lumina had no problem with except for admission seals 250,000kms I understand all the cars have problems 1 and 2 can be, but it seems German cars, but they cost more have many more of these common problems.
I know that materials such as plastic and leather are a nice feeling, but how come they can t understand the reliabilty appearance or at least make it cheaper parts like the price of American cars.
Why you pay more for German engineering Because the German genius really meant something in the 70s and 80s - German cars were really bank vaults, overengineered were really, really done for hundreds of thousands of miles, and really impressive compared to American and Japanese cars of the same time and people have recognized this and have told their friends and families, who have listened.
Now the pressures of the global automotive market have overengineering, building to last, and too expensive incredible interiors to compete, and Germans make cars like everyone else at a price.
The problem is that the German car fans were children when they heard their father and grandfathers raving about German engineering, and they continue to think that German engineering still means something that is as long as you are spend more than about 75k short, they're like any other car on the road.
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There is no such thing as German engineering or black art or something like that kind It's just attention to detail and well established mechanical engineering If you practice every day of tennis, you will probably as well.
What the OP talking horse is real and inexcusable limit, I fully agree that cars drive well, but when you change the things you should not wear it soon, I have a problem with that.
My Golf 2010 has been very good so far - no defects - but given the choice between an American car and a German car to take me to 200 thousand miles, I'm picking the American car every time.
They are cheaper, easier to correct, and tend to be more durable.
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But what im saying you say about yet well established mechanical engineering, we have a lot of common problems If the cheapest cars like Hyundai and Ford do not have mechanical engineering well-rehearsed how come they don ' not a lot of common problems people beat cars and run them into the ground without a maintence dollar value.
I think there are two issues here The first is the design and overall engineering being done at IMO OEM, development of German cars is very well thought - most German cars that we receive in the US seem to manage pretty decent engines least have good seats, and usually look good inside and these kinds of things t happen by choice, but by a comprehensive approach to car design This is something which isn ta consistent part of automotive development at large companies in other countries, I will add to this, it is my experience that cars even at the national level badged with a significant amount of engineering design done in Europe seem more pleasant many developed strictly to the United States or elsewhere.
Having said all that, I think where German cars falter is with regard to the outsourcing of parts from different suppliers and demanding that these companies take over to make affordable German cars What you get are motors, sensors, sockets, etc. That don t meet expectations It seems that modern German cars are designed to run very well to say that the first 60k miles, but because the German car manufacturers don t spec the most beautiful pieces of providers, things fall apart pretty quickly.
It seems that non-German brands in the United States take the utmost care to all input and subcontracted parts are very robust These companies are cutting back on the design and use the s considered the powertrain engineering of sophisticated chassis, I also think that when it comes to cheap cars, German companies do much more with much less humble golf mkII is a more sophisticated way than the competition of the same age, even if it didn t have the best figures.
It seems that German cars are often designed for a set of subjective characteristics while other companies engineering vehicles to a set of purely objective measures.
It wasn t always this way, but either German mysticism is almost played today, he's entered the field of self-parody.
German engineering too complex and too good for her own good in most cases.
I keep saying how about they get the right reliability enter complex things after this is done German cars still suffer from poor electronics, but they put more useless shit in their cars than ever.
Over the years, and 100s of hours put in German cars, I saw German genius tons that hurt.
Why you pay more for German engineering Because the German genius really meant something in the 70s and 80s - German cars were really bank vaults, overengineered were really, really done for hundreds of thousands of miles, and really impressive compared to American and Japanese cars of the same time and people have recognized this and have told their friends and families, who have listened.
Now the pressures of the global automotive market have overengineering, building to last, and too expensive incredible interiors to compete, and Germans make cars like everyone else at a price.
The problem is that the German car fans were children when they heard their father and grandfathers raving about German engineering, and they continue to think that German engineering still means something that is as long as you are spend more than about 75k short, they're like any other car on the road.
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A clutch of 24 years is too soon wear guys are hilarious.
Cars shouldn t require replacement coils packets They shouldn t require post-its with DON T ROLL deroulant stuck on the card door They shouldn t have the radio and climate control bed with 60K on the clock, as X5 came with my mother they shouldn t have diverter valves bed with 20K on the clock, as happened on A4 my father They need new struts shouldn t with 30K on the clock as my old Jetta Geddit made.
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Unfortunately, my drummer 03 Elantra hyundai i picked up for 300 last winter, had no problem next to a rad go, he 350,000kms.
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How to Asian and American cars used spring clutches ago 24 years, but didn t s German well designed.
Virtually all German manufacturers including Porsche, used spring clutches 24 years ago you came to buy a model that Porsche decided to try a rubber clutch centered obviously an error Did you research this car before you bought it not did you know that this was a common point of failure on the 944 non-turbo.
My 1995 Ford Ranger is a common problem that automatic locking hubs fail at relatively low miles, but you do not see me on the Ranger forum Station railing on the way American cars are never going to be as good as German, I have replaced manual hubs and moved along.
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German engineering is marketing bs Germans have always been innovative, but not reliable at least in the 80s their cars were damned impressive, but reducing costs to complete the Japanese have transformed their product installers of low past.
I will never own another fancy German car because for me I should be engineering bulletproof pay a premium to get a Toyota Lexus with better running speed as the underlying quality is what Replace rear torsion beam with a bit of independent suspension and aluminum when I move a cool model even basic goodness, just improved.
Maybe a Porsche because it will be a toy, but the idea of a BMW warranty MB Audi is out laughable, and my quality means buying a car, you know you can DD for a decade on basic maintenance.
Instead of better mechanicals and supply sensors and electronics freaking someone other than Hanz Franz Friday in October the Germans keep piling on more and more features and gimmicks What is the point of 31 flavors if you can not get the right vanilla.
This is compounded by the panic provider system tell your suppliers what you expect of their product, and they won t deliver, get another in today's economy, there will be other business happier to accept the job and deliver superior products.
Regarding the conduct of the decline in cheap Japanese cars is usually compromises suspensions, but you can at least greatly improve as spares, but replacing the electronic and mechanical parts of a poor quality German car seems to be impossible, or extremely long and costly.
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